Is global government inevitable?
Geoff Metcalf interviews "New World Order" expert Tal Brooke

Editorís note: Is global government a "right-wing paranoid delusion" as the establishment press typically portrays, or is it the inexorable wave of the future?

Tal Brooke, a recognized expert on globalism and president of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, a Berkeley think tank, has authored nine books, including "One World" -- which focuses on the various forces working toward a unified world system.

By Geoff Metcalf

Question: Long ago and far away Cicero once said:

A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for heís known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely. His sly whispers rustling through all the allies heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor. He speaks in accents familiar to his victims and he wears their face and their arguments. He appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city. He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less feared.

Answer: Thatís a very powerful quote and I have that archived on my hard drive. It hits it on the head, doesnít it?

Q: The obvious question, in the wake of talking to a lot of people over a long period of time, is the One World/New World Order/Controllers paradigm -- is it inevitable?

A: Thatís a very hard question. It almost looks it right now. I think itís inevitable in the sense that I personally believe that the great view of history, which is in effect "His Story" -- Godís story of time, linear time from the beginning of human civilization to the end. That when he maps it out -- there are certain road-marks that are out there you have to look for. And inasmuch as -- after the great flood -- Nimrod built the Tower of Babel and God scrambled the experiment, that out of judgement there would be a time in which this Tower of Babel would become global. God would allow it to happen -- and then, watch out.

There is imagery in John -- going back 2,000 years -- in the only way possible using metaphor and language to describe what we now see to be high-end weaponry, realities that only silicon-implantable chips can bring about in terms of total control and monitoring of human lives and financial globalism. All this, I think -- in the broad texture of scripture -- appears there. So if you have that matrix and then you look at present events right now -- unless it is slowed or delayed -- things are marching ahead.

Q: It seems as if the mechanisms are in place and the controllers most certainly have it within their grasp to achieve what they want. But frankly, I still donít see it happening in the immediate future. Right now, there are too many of us dinosaurs that are still around.

A: Well, Iím a dinosaur too.

Q: Right now we have something like 90 million freedom-loving gun-owners who are going to say, "I donít think so!" The prospect of fighting an ongoing guerrilla war is something I donít think the New World Order has in mind.

A: Well, unless they bring in U.N. troops and they have all those prison camps -- and this is speculation -- but it is the next generation, brother. Itís the kids who have gone through the Dewey progressive education system that have been dumbed-down to jellyfish.

Listen -- youíre a former Green Beret -- you came out of an era where a man was true to his word and a man was a man. Now, a man is a "person" or a jellyfish or a thing, and so, if you look at the ripple down to the younger generations, Iím not as sure. I think this thing can be delayed. We donít know. There is a big uncertainty here.

Q: If outcome-based education and the dumbing down of our children -- and the indoctrination of our children and the socialist agenda that was accelerated during the last eight years -- if all that stuff continues a couple of more generations, my grandkids very well could be living in chains. But, in the meantime, all this imminent concern that next week the U.N. is coming with these Hong Kong troops to enforce the U.N. plan -- I donít see it. Listen, there would be like five million Geronimos and Francis Marions out there saying, ďNot this year, pal!Ē

A: OK, but let me surprise you with something. In another sense, youíre looking for enemies behind the trees that are readily discernible. In a horrible sense, what is really happening is a quiet revolution behind the scenes. "The Great Change" of the theater, on the global scale -- economically and otherwise -- is where this thing is really like Disney special effects. Itís come in and you just donít know it.

Q: Joan Veon was telling me recently that she had just returned from one of the ubiquitous U.N. conferences where they tell us they are "talking" about this incremental stuff, but she says it is already a done deal. In fact, in a few short years there will be only three currencies in the world: the Yen, the U.S. Dollar and the Euro.

A: Yes. Correct.

Q: Thatís phase two. The objective for phase three is just one world currency.

A: Thatís correct. And, of course, Orwell in "1984" talked about dividing the world into three groups. You had Oceania and the others. These are not new thoughts and my guess is Orwell was a member of MI5-MI6 in WWII and then did "Animal Farm" -- which is about socialism -- and "1984," which is about the great coming together of the world powers. I think some of these people were privy to information that your guy on the street isnít.

Iím not a fatalist because I go back to 1776, where our ancestors were ready to battle the British for freedom and, of course, these guys didnít give up. And I think thatís the message today: Donít give up -- the thing is not over.

At least part of it is being aware of the pattern. I think waking up the sleeping giant and being aware of history right now so it doesnít sneak up behind us. And I think there will be more resistance. And, there are many great unknowns that God brings into play that none of us know about, no probability scale, nothing can tell you. Thatís the thing.

Q: Dr. John Coleman talks about the Committee of 300 ...

A: ... and the Tavistock Institute.

Q: Yeah, and others point to the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Bilderbergers, the Club of Rome, the Fabians. Whoever the bad guys are, the consensus seems to be there is some group of very rich and powerful people who are attempting to control the direction the world is going in.

A: ... and youíre going to ask me if it is one coordinated group or is it different players competing.

Q: No, Iím not, because Iíve already come to the conclusion they are all basically the same players.

A: You got it! I agree with that.

Q: There is a coordinated effort there.

A: Frankly, and I go into this in the book, itís the Eyes-Wide-Shut crowd. Itís Kubrick's last film about the richest people on earth, who do not honor the God that we do, but they have a different God.

Q: Which brings me to something I need to ask. Both Ted Flynn and Stan Monteith brought up something that, frankly, had not been addressed in most of our previous discussions on this topic. Both these guys say this is really a spiritual war going on and it transcends geopolitics and it is really the battle of good versus evil. And the question I ask is: Have you come to the same conclusion?

A: Yes. Absolutely.

Q: Hold on! You say "absolutely." Why is it so absolute?

A: I think ultimately it is a battle between good and evil -- there is no way around that. I think that ultimately that is what is going on. There have been plays on world order throughout history. >From Augustine to Charlemagne to Napolean to Hitler -- there have been people trying to pull off the planetary bargain.

The trouble is that in an up-tempo era -- and with telecommunications and sophisticated technology that never existed before and, I would say, coordination between family lines that are in the know -- itís a different ballgame right now. I believe there are movers and shakers. You and I know when the Bilderbergers met in Portugal they sort of formulated "what we need is a war in the Balkans." You study this stuff and you see when wars appear and crises appear -- after the smoke settles the landscape is always different. It goes back to 1905 when the Carniege Institute said: What is the one force that changes things the most? Well, war -- so pretty soon, in 1913 and beyond, you see World War One starting up. I think it is very much about a battle between good and evil.

Q: I know youíve seen this quote. David Rockefeller, at a June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany, reportedly said, "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years."

A: Correct.

Q: He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." That, allegedly, was allowed to happen because of the complicity of the mainstream media by restricting information to the masses.

A: Right.

Q: Now we are into this "New Media" revolution in which people are getting access through alternative media -- WorldNetDaily.com, talk radio and so on. There has developed a symbiotic relationship where talk radio picks up stuff off the Internet, talk radio spreads the word, and John Q. Public is getting hip.

A: Thatís the "X"-factor and it is very, very interesting because I have a quote in the book that goes back to a news conference in the early 1900s. Iíll paraphrase it: "Look, all of us are bought and paid for." He basically says we are mental prostitutes before this all-powerful oligochy -- and he outs himself!

Q: That sounds like John Swinton, the former chief of staff of the New York Times from his 1953 speech to the New York Press Club.

A: Yeah, but he said that before the '50s -- it goes back to at least the '30s. Whenever he said it, it just hit the nail on the head. All you have to do is look at the entries of who is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or who owns the media. You have Katherine Graham who owns the Washington Post -- and the similar family lines that own the New York Times and so on -- who meet at the same meetings. They arrived at the fact years ago that, if you control the media -- and thatís a point that Orwell made -- then you control what information is allowed into the public mind. You are the censor of ultimate reality.

Q: Because there has been a change to the paradigm and people are getting access to information they were not intended -- hold on! I just found that quote from Swinton, who was called by his peers the "dean" of his profession, said in 1953:

There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.

I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before 24 hours, my occupation would be gone.

The business of the journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

A: Thatís right. And I think today, when you see the main talking heads -- Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings -- these guys are just that. The owners of the networks joke behind their backs they are "talking heads." And they know that. Thatís a given in the big-league circle of media.

George Gilder talks about this cottage industry aspect of the new meta-technology -- the Internet, the supernet, publishing. I had an agent in New York in one of these 70-story monolithic buildings and the woman who is a key editor with Penguin and others said, "You are a tremendous writer and we can have you in the big leagues." And, as she said that, I knew that I was being patronized. I realized that, Lady, when you read what Iím writing, youíll realize I am attacking, undermining, trashing the very multi-culturalism and political correctness that you have been brought into existence to support. So you are going to spike my book, I know it. And it did happen. So I thought -- Iím a tech freak, and there is digital short-run publishing technology, there are powerful computers, there is the Internet to sell them on -- I basically said Iíd do it my way with my own company and see what happens.

Q: What has been the reaction to the book?

A: I havenít had any negatives. But you know there are going to be.

Q: Somebody is going to do a hit piece on you for sure.